Tuesday, June 7, 2011

Turmoil In The Middle East

Valentino Vie
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Valentino Vie : Libye, Côte d’Ivoire, Sarkozy : Le "come-back" des neo-cons? ■□■ http://www.michelcollon.in​fo/Libye-Cote-d-Ivoire-Sar​kozy-Le.html?lang=fr

Cisca Zarmansyah : En effet, le néo-con qui voulaient une intervention à la Libye a pu penser que pour la Libye après Kadhafi ne pas tomber dans les mains des fondamentalistes, parce qu'on craignait cela conduirait à une menace mondiale et l'existence d'Israël. C'est essentiellement le groupe cible des néo-con, qui est très impatient de voir le changement au Moyen-Orient et Afrique du Nord, ce qui serait préjudiciable aux intérêts des États-Unis et Israël dans le futur.

Valentino Vie : Lorsque le conflit a été le résultat d'actes d'agression d'un pays à un autre pays souverain, cette question doit être répondu avec toute la clarté de la base morale (la défense du pays que l'agression d'expérience), mais si le conflit était un conflit interne, les réponses proposées est devenu plus compliqué.

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Jan Pepijn Servaas : Pitiable, a splinter tucked under his heart and chest, and his face burned.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Jan, Jan, about his condition after surgery is confusing enough. There are reports saying that he is in a coma after heart surgery, and still others say he's just fine. Over time, I feel we are all here just to make gossip news .... Eh, why don't we just wait for the facts, such as whether he will die or recover and can accomplish his country's complexity in a healthy condition.

Almira Izzati : See also the Syria : * Reports of Mutiny in Syrian Military Back Regime Claims of 120 Slain :: http://news.antiwar.com/20​11/06/07/reports-of-mutiny​-in-syrian-military-back-r​egime-claims-of-120-slain/

Pranay Suresh : I wonder, how can they become hostile, especially when we see how dominant the equation in many ways among them, that eventually led North Yemen and South Yemen united on May 22, 1990. But why, ... the unification (which was expected to realize an integrated and prosperous country) is now becomes a conflict?

Cisca Zarmansyah : The motive of conflict is actually not a big problem, Nay. In June 2009 the Yemeni government accused Houthi has kidnapped nine foreigners in Sa'dah. This accusation was protracted until the government launched the "Operation Scorched Earth" on August 11 that claimed many victims.

Fairuz Azalia : C, if we review the ideology of its movement, we can see the existence of Iran involvement in Yemen conflict.

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Jan Pepijn Servaas : Zinjibar City is currently controlled by groups affiliated with Al-Qaeda. Government troops tried to make a counter-attack on the town of about 300 people held by Al-Qaeda fighters. The opposition considers the fall of Zinjibar into Al-Qaeda is intentionally done by Saleh to prove that Yemen will be a mess if he resigns.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Learning from the tug of Hamas-Fatah reconciliation in Palestine, the insurgency fighters in Somalia, the Taliban guerrillas in Afghanistan, Pakistan, South Sudan and other rebellions, reminds us that the dark clouds of discord still continues to haunt the Islamic world. The dark cloud that is increasingly becoming concentrated with Yemeni conflict. The destruction, poverty, famine, displaced into camps is the reality that must be harvested after the war. The conflict also threatens Yemen's own progress, both in technology, development, and others, so that Yemen became poor and underdeveloped countries, and this indirectly inhibits the progress of Islamic world. Therefore, I think every Muslim country should strengthen their unity. When they split in conflict, it will be manipulated by the enemies of Islam to make the disunity bigger. When busy in taking care of division and internal conflict, then a nation will be difficult to be able to think ahead.

Almira Izzati : Related links :

* Battles rage in al Qaeda-held Yemen town, 25 dead :: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm​/20110607/wl_nm/us_yemen_1​59

* Wounded Saleh vows to return, but will he? :: http://www.spacewar.com/re​ports/Wounded_Saleh_vows_t​o_return_but_will_he_999.html

* Celebrating the departure of President Saleh in Yemen (Picts) :: http://www.upi.com/News_Ph​otos/News/Celebrating-the-​departure-of-President-Sal​eh-in-Yemen/5214/1/

* YEMEN :: http://www.antiwar.com/reg​ions/regions.php?c=Yemen

Pranay Suresh: ‎@ Cisca Zarmansyah, Ma'am, there is no harm if we observe a moment the charm and history of Yemen.

Valentino Vie : Controverse autour de la démission de l'ambassadrice de Syrie en France = http://www.france24.com/fr​/20110607-ambassadrice-syr​ie-paris-france-lache-bach​ar-al-assad-demission-dama​s-violence#


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Jan Pepijn Servaas : The action of U.S. and its allies through NATO to intervene in the crisis in Libya with reason "to prevent the killing of civilians", increasingly shifted away from the law embrace. Meanwhile, the time given to U.S. to launch an offensive into Libya during 60 days had ended on May 22, 2011. Since then, the validity of the war in Libya has been questioned.

Jan Pepijn Servaas : What about the accusation of Gaddafi when interviewed by French television journalists about the role of foreign media that distorts the facts?

Almira Izzati :Cisca Zarmansyah, don't pretend not to read this news. I'd like to share it for all of us. ... and Valentino Vie, excuse me for I make comment on your wall :



Pranay Suresh: It seems China will take small steps in recent days to increase its involvement in Libya's conflict, after a silence for a few months since the first uprising against the Qaddafi government erupted in mid-February.

Jan Pepijn Servaas: It is not clear, dude... whether the meeting/ first contact in Doha has shown that China was strictly playing the role of mediator or it was considering to provide support to the rebels.

Jan Pepijn Servaas : because this is the first time for Chinese government to test the water with the snow that appears suddenly.

Pranay Suresh : , Well, I think China wants to play a role as a mediator. It doesn't support the one and opposes the other. Dunno which side will ultimately be supported by China I don't wanna make any prediction.

Jan Pepijn Servaas : Yeah, at least China has been observing for humanitarian relief efforts and met with rebel officials in NTC. http://www.ntclibya.com/Ne​wsPage.aspx?SSID=12&Parent​ID=11&LangID=1&Type=1


Cisca Zarmansyah : Given the complexity of problems facing the civil conflict in Libya, and the ambiguous morality of confronting the international community, one lesson that can be drawn from this is the importance of having a clear qualification before the international community intervene in a domestic conflict. In the case of Bosnia and Rwanda, the moral legitimacy and qualifications as the basis for intervention is very strong, considering the events that occurred in both places can be categorized as a massacre by a massive loss of life. The question is, can the conflict in Libya be categorized as the same thing?

Almira Izzati : ‎### Luis Moreno-Ocampo said that Gaddafi has ordered the mass rape and bought a few containers of stimulant drugs for the army to rape the women.




### Talk about a rape committed by his troops, we will remember Eman al-Obeidy.







Flashback


Pranay Suresh
Riots erupted on the issue of unemployment, high food prices, and what is called an official as an acute housing shortage that is not handled properly by the government.
http://www.al-bab.com/blog/201​1/blog1101a.htm#misreporting_t​unisia


www.enduringamerica.com
Brian Whitaker, who has closely followed the latest wave of Tunisian protests since they began in mid-December, writes on his blog about media coverage.

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Cisca Zarmansyah : I think the real problem of Tunisia is politics, not economics. Political, Nay. And it's bigger than just the issue of unemployment.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Trust is very important thing, isn' it? The case of Mohamed Bouazizi is only as the trigger, well...we can call him as a symbol of the poor's struggle in Tunisia. They have lost their trust to their governments, that's the biggest point...! From economy point, it's still within reasonable limits. In a statistical profile of Arab countries, Tunisia's unemployment rate is small compared to other Arab countries, only 13 percent of the workforce. In Yemen, the unemployment rate reaches 30 percent. Their purchasing power is also better than Libya, Sudan and Bahrain.

Its people also known have best education of Arab world. The education budget is large enough, ranked 18 in the world stage. Mobile phone users in Tunisia more than in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Yemen. So, if Tunisia with a relatively good economy could be buffeted by social unrest, can you imagine how the other Arab countries economic with worse condition than Tunisia?

So, it seems Tunisia incident is a warning bell for another Arab countries. The best solution for Tunisia is political solution, with more people engage in political decisions. If not, ... nyah nyaah.. it turns out well, isn't it? It's not only groundless. The unrest has spread from Tunisia to Algeria, and after that I don't know it would spread to where else of Arab countries.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : High oppression and repression committed by the "security services" to citizens have contributed to the spread of protests and demonstrations to other cities. But the real cause is rampant corruption of the ruling regime and the failure to set people's affairs for years. The regime in power so assiduously did terror against all who differ with them, to provoke the feelings of Muslims and outspoken opposition to Islam, adherents of Islam, its values and all things associated with Islam.

Valentino Vie : I was chatting with a friend who has been four years working in Tunisia. He said as long as he was there he rarely saw the mosques. He said the Tunisian people rarely performed their prayers. I was quite surprised by his statement. Because I also have a friend who studied at the Zaitunah University, it's a quite famous university in the Islamic world and older than Al-Azhar University in Egypt. Also I knew the famous scholars from Tunisia, like Sheikh Dr. Ben Khojah, Chairman of the Fiqh Academy under the Jeddah-based OIC, which published an annual review series in publications form as books or journals. So far, indeed I only heard about Tunisia as a country that relied on its income from tourism, because they have no oil resources of its neighbors like Libya and Algerian. Therefore, many Tunisian citizen became workers in Libya, both as professionals and rough.

tUniSie prOteSt [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
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The Tunisia regime is given awards for its war against Islam. The most prominent is the ban on veil in educational institutions, labor market, the war against Islamic propaganda which for decades has been arresting, imprisoning and torturing the activists. Its crime extends up to touch Muslim who are jailed and tortured. But all of that is only its failure in regulating the people affairs and guarantee the fulfillment of their basic needs of food, shelter or clothing, health care, education and security, and failed to provide a glorious life through equitable distribution of wealth.

Reading For Today:
http://nawaat.org/portail/​2011/01/24/la-revolution-t​unisienne-et-son-devenir/
Le quotidien

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Adriaan Zef : really messed up hell! there are four ministers to be fired.

Valentino Vie : I say this as a failure of secularism. Although the state already secularizes its citizens to increase their production (including not giving the time of worship in order to increase their productivity), but the unemployment level is higher and the employment for workforce in this country is more difficult.

Fairuz Azalia :


Valentino Vie
Tunisie, Egypte : des experts appellent les dirigeants du monde à écouter les peuples @ www.un.org
« Les récents événements qui se sont déroulés dans plusieurs pays sont l'expression de la frustration ressentie par de nombreux individus dont les voix ont été négligées ou ignorées par leur propre gouvernement », ont estimé les experts dans un communiqué de presse.


Cisca Zarmansyah : La situation est très difficile là-bas. La transition de régime pour la democracie est nécessaire maintenaint. Que est-ce qu'il sera fait par la protection de la presse?

Valentino Vie : C'est très interessant, mais quand se prend le journal la vie pour les egyptiens semble terrible. Il y a déjà une solution pour proteger les gens? http://observers.france24.​com/fr/content/20110203-et​e-paye-5000-livres-semer-c​haos-manifestations-caire-​baltgia-milices-aveux-moub​arak

Valentino Vie : http://www.la-une-des-jour​naux.info/radio-tv-bbc.php

Cisca Zarmansyah : Maintenant, il devrait être évident qu'aucun dirigeant, l'État, etc partout dans le monde des ONG devraient être en mesure d'agir en toute impunité et avec un sens de ne pas être tenus responsables de leurs actions soit à l'intérieur de leur pays ou à l'extérieur de leur pays. L'Egypte est le premier exemple aujourd'hui de leadership qui a mal tourné.

Nous avons besoin de la CPI et les Nations Unies Droits de l'Homme du Conseil à agir avec détermination pour enquêter et poursuivre les membres du gouvernement de Moubarak qui mènent ces attaques contre les manifestants anti-gouvernementaux, les médias et les étrangers en Egypte. Cette situation est inacceptable. Elle doit cesser. Maintenez ces dirigeants responsables de leurs actes.





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by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
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Barack Obama was worried about his close partner in Middle East region, Hosni Mubarak, will meet the same fate as Zine El Abidine Ben Ali. To Mubarak, Obama said, there was no guarantee if Tunisian people's revolution wouldn't spread to Egypt. Unlike the White House statement related to telephone dialogue between Obama and Mubarak, a reliable source of US stated that the purpose of Obama's call was to warn Mubarak because Mubarak has failed to run a reformation program and fighting corruption in his country. Obama stated the recent elections result in Egypt was followed by increasing pessimism among youth related to fraud in legislative elections.

Meanwhile, a statement from White House said the dialogue between Obama and Mubarak was about Tunisia condition and the first verdict of Special Court for Lebanon. Obama hoped the transitional government of Tunisia was able to apply key principles of Human Rights and held a free and clean elections.

According to this source, White House was seriously monitoring the developments in Cairo, with consideration the Egypt was Washington's main partner in Middle East. Various news from Egypt (especially the action of four Egyptians who burned themselves last week and the calls for anti government faction in Cairo on January 25) made Washington worried. Moreover, the demand of Mubarak's resignation was increasingly widespread.

This source added, following the Tunisia's people revolution who managed to overthrow Ben Ali, Washington increasingly worried about its partner future in the region. These concerns triggered by the collapse of El Abidine Ben Ali Zine's government, which was unexpected by the West.

Reading For Today:
http://english.aljazeera.n​et/news/middleeast/2011/01​/201112974149942894.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.​com/2011/01/29/americans-p​rotest-egypt-photos_n_8158​94.html#s232544&title=Wash​ington_DC
http://www.salon.com/news/​feature/2011/01/29/egypt_p​rotests_photos_pictures

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Valentino Vie : Mubarak has been Egypt's president since 1981. During this time he has been regarded as a counterweight and ambassadors of democracy in Middle East. And loss of Mubarak, for Obama, could be meant as the alteration some habits, policies and in Bush's agenda.

That the irony was formulated by Obama: heavy pressure on Mubarak had been the policy adopted by Condoleezza Rice, but opposed by Egyptian regime and eventually abandoned by Bush administration for stability sake.

We all already know, Mubarak was suffering from chronic pain. Medically, it's been predicted that he wouldn't be able to live more than a year. After Mubarak, who will be his successor? And what is the impact on foreign interests? may it be a big question for America.

It seems, however, whatever Obama's choice after Mubarak's death, will be a repetition of Bush policy. He just needs to decide whether it's more appropriate to maintain the regime or the reformists. And he should make this decision without being noticed by the Egypt people, ... when Mubarak dies,... without the reassuring presence of the most reliable adviser from Middle East.

Adriaan Zef : My dear, your predictions about mass action when we talk about Tunisia is appropriate. Mass riot is like a contagious disease.

Adriaan Zef : Wall Street's stock market also suffered the biggest losses within last six months, related to this action. Some investors had to attract investments over a number of assets they have invested. This instability has dropped the stock market index of CBOE Volatility Index, with fears of turmoil in stock market. Markets don't like instability, especially related to geopolitical issues and based on what happened in Egypt this week, and I guess until next week it will be affected.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : ..." I just found out muslim animals those poor oppressed scum bags are burning down looting destroying desecrating and stealing from the Museum in Cario destroying a great history Pharaonic Egypt is Egypt. Islam has destroyed Egypt and made it backward. May they all go burn in an Egyptian Hell being slowly eaten alive by hippo's crocodiles and torn apart by Jackals Hyena's and bitten by a thousand snakes then scavenged upon by vultures!... Long live, Mubarak! Everything about Pharaonic Egypt built greatness muslims are destroyers! They are the universes losers! ...

... Are you surprised by this sentence? No, this is not my opinion. Yeah,... this is a poll from a few sources I've interviewed randomly

Adriaan Zef : It's not so strange. After all there's a strain in Egyptian Islamism that refers to dictators as "Pharoahs," and despises all of the heritage of pharoahs, because it's pre-Islam.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : They are just trying to get ahead.

Adriaan Zef : Too often protesters use the chaos just to be jerks.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : This is just one more example of the US getting in the middle of things, and then most people don't truly understand what the truth is and just go with what the Government media tells them.

Almira Izzati : Freedom!...

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Nobody should be in power for 30 years. Look what Obama has done to US in 2 years.

Adriaan Zef : The whole thing has the CIA's hand on it.

Adriaan Zef : Egypt is one of the main US ally in Middle East, it's one of the largest US aid recipient in the world. Each year, the US supplies of 1.3 billion US dollar aid, and that's specifically in defense sector only. To dissolve the government is not significant thing. In my opinion, Mubarak should talk about various issues that really felt by the people.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Yups! the US, Britain, Germany and France voiced similar about reformation without revolution, but not with Arabs and Israel. King Abdullah condemned the vandals who have been disturbing Egypt security and stability. Israel (which directly borders with Egypt and has established good relations with Mubarak government) was also worried in the regime change case in Egypt, cause it meant Israel would lose one more"friend" in Middle East, and Israel must considered new strategies and renegotiate with new rulers of Egypt. => http://www.spa.gov.sa/Engl​ish/index.php

Cisca Zarmansyah : Domino theory (that predicts the fall of nationalist regimes in communists hands in Southeast Asia and Eastern Europe) now re occurs in Middle East's democratization context. After democratization in Tunisia, now is the turn of Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Yemen and Jordan, they are also threatened by a similar story. Oh oh... autocratic regimes of Muslim world are on the verge of collapse, ... such as the olive leaves fall down in the land.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : The Egyptian Museum in Cairo has been broken in to and two royal mummies, a number of Statues and other ancient artefacts have been destroyed. Unacceptable behaviour!

Cisca Zarmansyah : It's gonna sweep all the way into Iran. The whole Arab world is going to change politically in coming months.

Pranay Suresh : the egyptian government just released 1000 prisoners... this is scary! who is watching the Suez Canal?

Cisca Zarmansyah : Kashmir, thanks for help us! that's a good handling,.. big thanks to you, Nay.
...yaah, about that canal... ehhehehh... don't you know the demonstration has been pushing Cairo to impose a nationwide curfew since Wednesday?

Valentino Vie : Jordan is relatively better off than Egypt. The prime minister needs to be sacked by King Abdullah.

Pranay Suresh : You're welcome, maam. I know that ..... This action also occurred in Algeria, similar to what happened in Tunisia. People protested against the rising of commodity prices and a crisis of unemployment. Demonstrations has increased after the government set a price increase of milk, sugar and flour. In addition, the Algerian people had long complained about the injustice of wealth distribution.

Valentino Vie : Beware of poverty in Yemen. On Thursday thousands of people took to the streets demanding change in government, and this was the biggest demonstration since protests occurred in Yemen last week. Protesters vowed to improve the riot, except their demands were fulfilled.

In Libya, Ghadafi's old regime was also facing similar problems. I think the conditions in Libya's Moammar Ghadafi era have exceeded the power age of all governments in the world today. Think about it, he was in power in Libya in 1969 through a military coup. Under his rule, Libya became one of the largest state violators of human rights and the most undemocratic country. In this country there was no media freedom. What was left by the opposition group? Only name and memory! Demonstration of residents in capital city was sufficient to be evidence of high level of people dissatisfaction on regime in power. Whereas before, protest was a word almost never be heard from Libya.





Λ SpΣΣCh [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
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"An orderly transition must be meaningful, it must be peaceful and it must begin now" (BARACK OBAMA)

A key factor of massive protests by the Egypt people because of economic problems associated with high prices of basic commodities. The main problem is a matter of stomach. When people are already starting to feel hungry, then there's something anarchic will happen. (CZ)

Reading For Today:
http://swampland.blogs.tim​e.com/2011/02/04/what-bara​ck-obama-has-not-said-abou​t-egypt/


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Adriaan Zef : For Washington, the worst scenario in Egypt crisis will give birth to government Islamic system, this system may be allied with Iran. For the US, Egypt plays an important role in peace talks, and regard it as a country that can counterbalance the Iranian influence in region. But human rights organizations repeatedly accuse the US government is very tolerant with grave violations of human rights in Egypt.

Valentino Vie : Mubarak only has himself to blame for the strength of Muslim Brotherhood, considering his past draconian measures against secular opposition figures in Egypt. It was the same story, but with much more violence and brutality in Iran with the Shah. Left/socialist groups were violently supressed, leaving Islamists as the only viable opposition group. In Iran, the Islamists had majority support (although they certainly don't now, but only the non-Islamist rich in Iran miss the Shah) in 79-80, the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't have anywhere near majority support in Egypt.

Valentino Vie : http://www.jihadwatch.org/​2011/02/spencer-obamas-bro​therhood-moment.html

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : So, it looks like the United States does not appear to be behind Mobarak.

Pranay Suresh : In the end, everything will be determined by Israeli security issues. And that includes how long Mr. M stays on the scene. It has zero to do with loose talk about Egypt becoming an Arab democracy. US / Israeli funding and Egyptian security police will finish off the opposition.

Almira Izzati : The press should stay in the middle and report the real true without take side. Look like the world peace need to push harder... ...If we can't start now, when? After WW III ?

Cisca Zarmansyah : I'm wondering whether in a crisis like this, then the golden era of US arms exports to Egypt will also end. For the US arms companies are very clear, with the end of Mubarak's era, it also makes an end of the phase with highest profits in brotherhood between American & Egypt in armaments field. Because the rulers of Cairo will obviously be more critical of America and not interested in America weaponry, it's compared with Hosni Mubarak (which in seconds is now still a president).

Fairuz Azalia : There was a time we harvest, there was a time of harvest failure.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Since the days of Paul Samuelson, the world economy is strongly influenced by the trade in weapons, in addition to natural resources. The US plays this role very well and sometimes vulgar. If Egypt is too full, the US will never be tired of looking for weapons market. There are still many countries in Africa which will be used as targets.

Pranay Suresh : Not necessarily, it's also unclear how the Egypt in the future. Moreover, the Egypt government has a bloody succession history that can be used as weapons and as well as for their primary capital. But hopefully something better could happen, amen.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : What is needed now is not the weapon of Egyptian, but the food. Hopefully American entrepreneurs are aware and begin to switch to export food rather than weapons. Better food exports for survival of people rather than arms exports which only to oppress its people.




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by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
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In different priorities, there will never be a deal if the compromise increasingly denounced as undemocratic engineering, then voting is done by a variety of ways to come out the winner. But once there is a winner, the others feel themselves to be defeated. So far, everything seems normal. But the victory has been labeled by glorification, and it's giving rise to jealousy.

The defeat is a humiliation which eventually ended up as a sense of contempt, it gives birth to a sense of revenge. The opposition function will never be a process for sparring partners, but only as an attempt to overthrow. There, the differences become conflicts and hostility.

Is it a false depiction? Or are we already taking the wrong path because we want to celebrate the freedom?

We think by wearing democracy "clothes", then all the luck which has become attributes of developed countries, will automatically fall from the sky without the need to attempt anything more.

Who will admit frankly that we still are learning to practice democracy? All tend to say we're running democracy, although we always recognize this era is the era of learning. And it is very important, we forget that before we can "use" of democracy, we must first agree on its meaning.

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Adriaan Zef : That is the consequence of our big dreams which instructs us that what we need is a precise system, neat and running smoothly. It is amazing why we can just believe that the automated system can live without human touch. The most sophisticated computer even requires the operator. How the system will run if it's not driven by trained people? Even, when it is moved by itself as an automatic mechanism though, still it should continue to be supervised by human image, in order to "live" in harmony. Its meaning, in addition to its sophistication, a system should still be able to answer all new phenomenons that suddenly arise.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Thus, a system that has been run by itself because of an arbitrary individual domination (as cult leaders), will not happen again, ....is that your intention, Zef?

Adriaan Zef : Yes, dear. There's no "hero" who will let the men only as robots and the systems become idolatry. Sooner or later they will be disturbed. With a more beautiful language, it can be said as "feels he's called" and states his actions as a human awakening.

Valentino Vie : Iran 1979 part 2.

Fairuz Azalia : No matter how great the past, each of the time always has a will that must be pursued by the human inhabitants, whose fate is always "missed the train". . Although your minds want to resist, but they now require the presence of "strong man" who has charisma and make them all obedient to the law for safety, comfort, prosperity, equality in all things happen. But of course it is started not solely driven by the desire to their own conscience. There's a humanitarian ethic which restrict all branches of profession, so they also care about the worthiness of each individual.

Valentino Vie : Democracy it is , let's see how they do and we have to adjust to them. We need to stop pretending we extol democracy, when we were perfectly happy with a dictator for the last 30 years, hahaa... et democracy in the Arab states = the death of Israel, ...Stay tuned! Only time will tell. If it is truly peace that Islam nation wants, then let the world join in on that quest. But if their peace means destroying an entire race to achieve it, then they have another thing coming.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Que faites-vous, monsieur? Vous avez bien dormi? Pouvez-vous prendre un congé de quelques mois...?

Valentino Vie : Je vais terminer ce programme en mai. Après que je vais vous chercher immédiatement. Soyez patient, ma femme. Préparer toutes les choses que nous avons besoin. Êtes-vous sûr de votre décision?

Adriaan Zef : I don't believe alot of people truly understand what it means if Egypt becomes a Muslim country. If you did, you would not be spewing forth your narcissistic liberal hatred. I'm not sure you can see past your one track mind and concerns about yourselves to know what the ramifications are if they become Muslim, what that will do to us in America, and the rest of free nations. I can guarantee you, there will be world war 3. Let's do our research first and quit depending in a split second on media for our information.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Too silly is not it? if we are boasting that they now miss a strong regime, very strong ..., so the law can be upright with dignity? It means not a system, but human actors who become the priority scale. You would say, no. Me too, Zef.

Cisca Zarmansyah : No.

Adriaan Zef : ... Hmm...why do I always want to kiss you every time you say no?? It sounds so sweet...

Yeah... honey, please get my point. There are some who don't want to accept the reality that their human qualities are not commensurate with its large ...and spacious, with a stack of pending issues, so they blame this failure to the wrong system, wrong implementation, the process that violated its procedures, and forth. What becomes its priority later is a sophisticated system, more appropriate, more fitting, but to create a system of government or perhaps new legislation, maybe they can't afford. I guess it's not capable, but there's always a different scale of priorities in any negotiation, so there's never a deal!

Cisca Zarmansyah : There's also a view that the key of all is caliber of its human, Zef. All that is holding power in government or private sector now comes from a past. The leader of Egypt in the future may now still in school at the kindergarten school, or still in the womb, ehehhe ...they should be given another world, by giving them a new education. At least, it is taboo to copy what their parents do.

Adriaan Zef : .... Yes. And education is no longer only focus on formal education schools, as an increasingly sharpened now. But total of education, both from parents, environment, as well as moral education. I think many things should be discussed again, my dear .... among others, give new meaning to the compromise!

Valentino Vie : I love your term. Priority scale. Voilà, ma chère!

Cisca Zarmansyah : Vive la différence, monsieur .... I think the scale of priorities might be forever different, but it must not be silenced by voting. It also must not be killed with a "compromise", but it's given a space and notion of tolerance. The common interest is not taken care of first, but it isn't placed in the back. It is also impossible to be ignored in later. And it will very easily be achieved if the majority respects the minority. Something that is now often interpreted, it does not exist in a democracy, because majority is the winner and powerful. As a result, in fact, Priority Scale is no different, there's only a few terms that have been fundamentally distorted as a result of cultural erosion, and it is left abandoned!





yEmEn's prOtEst [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
3:07

The risk rises in Yemen, when the country is on the edge of possibility of becoming a failed state and try to fight the rebel wing of Al Qaeda, to extinguish separatist movements in the south and establishes peace with Shiite rebels in the north. All because of of poverty problem, one third of Yemenis also experience chronic hunger.



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Valentino Vie : At these times, a draft amendment to the constitution is deliberated in parliament, although it reaps protests from the oppositions. If the draft is approved, Saleh can powerful for his lifetime.

Cisca Zarmansyah : But they're still also facing separatist violence in the north and south. Although, in fact, they officially have been united in 1990...

Valentino Vie : whoa! .... Don't stick your tongue out at me when you're speaking with me. I can't stand it!

Pranay Suresh : Many parties in the south (which became the majority of Yemen's oil) said that northern people use the unification to control natural resources and discriminate against them. Ali Abdullah Saleh urged the people not to listen the calls for secession, he said it was the same as treason. We know it is the ancestral state of Al-Qaeda and its base in Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), it's a launch place for attacks, with the target is the US. Western countries and Yemen's neighbors are worried if the country will fail. Al-Qaeda could take advantage of the chaos to strengthen their grip on this impoverished Arab country, and turns it into a place to launch further attacks. Remember how the regional wing of Al-Qaeda AQAP stated that they masterminded the failed bomb attacks on US passenger plane on Christmas Day last year.

Adriaan Zef : http://www.rawstory.com/rs​/2011/02/yemen-detained-28​-behalf-lack-evidence/

Cisca Zarmansyah : In Yemen, Human Rights Watch said, "police and military forces used live and rubber bullets to disperse protesters on February 3. Six people were injured and 28 arrested, the Yemeni Observatory for Human Rights reported." ( http://edition.cnn.com/201​1/WORLD/meast/02/09/world.​arab.protests.rights/index​.html?iref=allsearch )





GâÐÐâf¡'§ §0ñ wârñ§ 0f ¢¡v¡£ wâr [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
6:21

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi offered to forward the reforms in coming days which he described as "historic national initiative" and said the regime was willing to remove some restrictions and began some discussions for a new constitution.



Reading For Today :

http://www.nytimes.com/201​1/02/21/world/africa/21lib​ya.html?_r=1&ref=global-ho​me
http://www.haaretz.com/new​s/international/gadhafi-s-​son-warns-of-civil-war-as-​libya-turmoil-spreads-1.34​4682
http://www.ynetnews.com/ar​ticles/0,7340,L-4031528,00​.html
http://www.globalsecurity.​org/wmd/library/news/libya​/libya-110220-rferl01.htm
http://www.rferl.org/conte​nt/libya_protests/2314907.​html
► Video of the killing in Libya : http://www.youtube.com/wat​ch?v=uixaMQKibMw

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Almira Izzati : salute to Abdel Moneim al-Honi and Hussein Sadeq Al Misurati! they had resigned to join the demonstrators.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Where is the EU? Where is the US? Where is the world? Was it not a single serious statement? I never thought that Libyan blood is cheaper than Libyan oil! It's so embarrassing, disgusting and extremely unpleasant situation in Libya. When will people learn to respect the lives? Some people see it as personal property. Every strong man should be forcefully and disgracefully brought down to the ordinary ground just like what happened in Egypt. We all are just care takers of lives, aren't we? We're not real owners, except God. As an Australian citizen I call on the Australian Government to use whatever influence or power it has, no matter how small, to end this human catastrophe. I call on the Australian media to help deliver your messages.

Pranay Suresh : People living out of Libya should protest in front of Libyan embassies/consulates in their countries to tell the regime that world is aware of their crimes and show their solidarity to Libyan People. And,... could the authors for these on-going massacres in Libya be taken to International Court of justice from crimes against humanity? At some point, there will have to be a trial. Everyone, keep focus on getting proofs and witnesses of these massacres.

Valentino Vie : Help your brothers : https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/s​ecretariat_general/tools/f​mb/onlineformulaire.cfm

Valentino Vie : This crisis has caused oil prices continue to soar. In trading in Asian markets this morning, Brent oil for April delivery rose 1.21 dollar to USD 106.95 per barrel. Light sweet crude oil for March delivery jumped 6.45 dollars to USD 92.65 per barrel. But, a revolution such as in Egypt will be difficult to happen in Libya, because Gaddafi still can prosper his people's lives through the abundant oil resources.

Fairuz Azalia : Is China next?

Almira Izzati : I think China will not be affected by the Egypt unrest, because when the mass media are competing to review the Egyptian revolution, Chinese media actually looks quiet and doesn't much raises the issues of President Hosni Mubarak resignation. This step is thought to be taken to reduce the influence of Egypton influence to China movement. Jeremy Goldkorn (http://jeremygoldkorn.com/​about/press/) said the comparison between the cases in Egypt and China were much different, this would not cause movement of resistance organizations and other activists. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/af​p/20110131/tc_afp/chinaegy​ptunrestpoliticsinternetme​diacensor_20110131055428)

Adriaan Zef : Perhaps the Europeans are only interested to make Africa the Middle East region as a haven for deep pockets of its citizens to travel in these countries as its former colonies, well ... such as visiting the archeological heritage of Egypt King, Pharaoh, Pyramid, the Spinx Statue, or sun bathe on Tunisia beaches, or create the magnificent architecture building, luxurious and beautiful as belonging to the wealthy emirs in the countries of Persian gulf region.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Economic interests of European countries towards its former colonies in Africa and Middle East has totally ignored the aspect of political order that should involve all communities in the countries which become members of their trade. And it's not done. Now what? There's the anger people. There's a revolution in the replacement of state leaders. R-e-v-o-l-u-t-i-o-n. Revolution! And we all know its meaning. Revolution is not a romantic dinner. It's a rebellion. An act of violence whereby one class overthrows another class.

Almira Izzati : finally... http://www.france24.com/en​/20110223-france-paris-sar​kozy-eu-sanctions-libya-ec​onomic-sanctions?ns_campai​gn=editorial&ns_mchannel=r​eseaux_sociaux&ns_source=F​B&ns_linkname=20110223_fra​nce_paris_sarkozy_eu_sanct​ions_libya&ns_fee=0

Pranay Suresh : I think the United States reacts far more quickly than Europe. They are willing to support democratic change in North Africa. While in Europe, it is Italy who reacts at the latest to take a distance from dictator. And Italy should have a big interest of supporting democratization in the Mediterranean. Here we see, there are still major concerns in Europe to change.




nO wAy! [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
3:10




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Pranay Suresh : So, he didn't escape. , ... but the international community should have one word about the crisis.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Can he be regarded as a war criminal? For the sake of perpetuating power, he has been able to kill his own people by bombing them. Tsk!

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : http://arabia.msn.com/News​/MiddleEast/gf/ksa/2011/Fe​bruary/4027111.aspx

Valentino Vie : Let's watch again your video about Egypt. We had predicted all of this would happen.

He always referred to as the source of Islamic terrorist, when in fact he is obviously very far from Islamic values. But even though he's accused of being terrorist, Libya (as well as Iran) until now is safe from the Western threat.

To be sure, I still keep his Green Book, which charted the alternative socialism and capitalism combined with aspects of Islam. Remember the system is called the "Jamahiriya" or "Country people", in which the power is held by thousands of "people's committees". It was his discovery system! :: http://www.atlapedia.com/o​nline/countries/libya.htm

Adriaan Zef : I was estimating the role of Libyan army over this revolution's future, because it was different from Tunisia and Egypt armies, it wasn't recognized as an independent, intact, and strong organization. Tunisia and Egypt's military were able to keep a distance with the regime, but Libyan military institutions had been torn apart by Qaddafi, both in organization and ideology. Exactly, since it with all its weapons facilities wasn't able to defeat the poor military of Chad in border war 1980s.

Adriaan Zef : He who was angry because humiliated by Chad at the time, ransacked the military institution and changed its name to "Armed people".

Cisca Zarmansyah : The organization system was very loose, that's its weakness, because many commanders were very autonomous!

Adriaan Zef : Recruitment problem?

Cisca Zarmansyah : also the loyalty problem!

Adriaan Zef : So ragged! He was referred to as the commander of the armed people, but only a political posotion, not professional.

Cisca Zarmansyah : ... It's not surprising if there were many defections news from Libyan military members, such as the two Libyan Air Force pilots with two fighter aircraft requested political asylum to Malta for refusing orders to demolish the protesters in Benghazi city.

Adriaan Zef : It's not easy to define the Libyan's armed people as a whole organization against the anti Gaddafi regime today. There are those who remain loyal, but there are also who joined the protesters, ... he also used the mercenaries from Africa and eastern europe. I hope there are individual initiatives of one or several military leaders to build a suppressor power for him, so that Libya could be avoided by the action of bloodshed which even more powerful.




αÐιєυ, уα Hαвιвι... [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
4:23

Due to the uncertain situation, condition of foreigners in Libya is extremely worrying. It is possible when foreign citizens will become victims if the situation gets worse. Therefore, many countries that have citizens who live in Libya do various efforts to rescue them as soon as possible.

Reading For Today:
http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/​exeres/8974AA77-8CFD-4148-​8FFC-FF3742BB6ECB.htm
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-b​in/texis/vtx/page?page=49e​485f36

αÐιєυ, уα Hαвιвι...


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CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Do you believe that a country could experience a mass trance?

Cisca Zarmansyah : That is the consequence of which their subconscious is now breaking into the nature of consciousness. You know Jan, Libya has its own interests for the entire Islamic world, specifically the Middle East. If Gaddafi is removed in a bloody re...volution, then there is the possibility of Musa al-Sadr, an influential Shiite cleric will transform back from his supernatural nature.... If it applies, Middle East politics will experience a large scale tsunami. This is because of Musa al-Sadr is not only revered by the followers of Shia Muslims but also by the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah.

Fairuz Azalia : C, Is he still alive?

Cisca Zarmansyah : Let's wait for the truth, Fai.
Shiitenews

Will the mystery of Imam Musa Sadr be solved?

http://abna.ir/data.asp?la​ng=3&id=228281

Pranay Suresh : the world will experience a major change, because now mankind struggles to understand the truth. We see that human being strives for truth, and the world on the verge of major transformation. Now, the efforts to achieve justice quickly turned into a global goal.

Valentino Vie : I'm very happy to imagine people return home and meet with their families, a place that makes a person feel compelled to go home. What about you, baby? :: http://www.focus-fen.net/?​id=n243296

Cisca Zarmansyah : Me? Don't you know that GO is my expertise? Though I go with quiet steps and heart goes to pieces ....he-eh-hee...merci pour le partage, mon cher. On va où ?

Fairuz Azalia : I find China to be somewhat exaggerates by sending warships to evacuate its citizens in Libya.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Many are speculating without direction, Fai, assume that China is showing off the power to show its influence in the region around the bay, especially in Africa. I think this speculation is based on premise that on the five years China is so heavily in expanding its economy around the region. Currently China is the biggest investor for Africa, including in Sudan's infrastructure development. Certainly the success of China in Africa is not obtained the easy way. Not only must deal with the French influence which comes first in Africa, but it has been followed by Brazil which also begins to invest in Africa continent with an approach that seems far more effective. Brazil learns a lot from China's weakness in reducing local reactions, involving entrepreneurs and local workers in carrying out their projects in Africa, unlike China which is always affiliated with the citizens and local businessmen Africa from China and other Asian ethnic and ignoring the local people. Maybe that's the rationale that assumes China is showing off the power in evacuating its citizens.

Almira Izzati : I think only the China who knows exactly te reason, of course, but I agree with you cutie pie,... China's attitude is a major concern to its citizens.

Fairuz Azalia : So why does China have to send warships, which are also armed by the missiles?

Cisca Zarmansyah : Xuzhou was sent for reasons of effectiveness and safety, Fai. In the first of evacuation process, China was still leaving about 18.000 its citizens there. Thus, it was necessary to perform the evacuation by sea. The navy warship armed with missiles was used to anticipate the possibility if they were intercepted by the Somalia pirates.




hØ...! [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
3:41

Before his position becomes so desperate as today, Gaddafi was one of the strongest leaders in North Africa and Middle East. To maintain his power, he formed the committee which was a combination of the tribes chief. This method was effective to eliminate tribalism (the habit of killing each other inter-tribal), as well as a tool for Gaddafi to stay on top of all the tribes which were managed by him by the way of "divide and rule".

Reading For Today :
http://www.cnas.org/node/7​37
http://www.cnas.org/node/5​904
http://csis.org/expert/ric​hard-downie
http://www.trust.org/alert​net/news/us-ships-move-tow​ard-libya-amid-fears-of-ch​aos/
http://www.usatoday.com/ne​ws/world/2011-02-28-libya_​N.htm?csp=34news
http://www.fidh.org/Bloody​-Repression-in-Libya



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Pranay Suresh : Is he joking? I will gladly laugh...hhhhhhh

Valentino Vie : Dunno,... I want to be mad or laughing mad loud!

Valentino Vie : Maybe I should .... tut-tut-tut!....

Adriaan Zef : Hon, I like your link about Richard Downie. I agree with him. The U.S. intervention in Africa (such as in Somalia in the 1990s) has made the U.S. reluctant to get involved again in military mission in the "Dark Continent".

Almira Izzati : Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com​/TRANSCRIPTS/1102/28/jkusa​.01.html

Fairuz Azalia : At least, in front of countries with socialist leanings, Gaddafi with his sweetness can combine with those of socialist, so that the leaders of socialist countries in Latin America are very respectful with him, because his ideas to fight against the US hegemony.

Cisca Zarmansyah : He is a skilled politician, Fai. No one can deny it. He's not the Libyan president, but his excellence of political strategy appears from his ability to survive in the highest position of Libyan government. Although, there is President Mohamed Abu Al-Quasim Al-Zwai who becomes the head of state and Prime Minister Baghdadi Mahmudi who heads the government, but Gaddafi has been leading Libya with his dictator style since he was 27 years old. Can you imagine it? When I was 27 years old, the thing that I knew was only love, anyway it was just a kind of love with the lowest level, because it was only love that happened between man and woman, and until now I don't know whether it's true love or not .... ...

Pranay Suresh : Memsahib, thanks for info. You're right, the political system in Libya is unique because it is different from the political systems of other countries. You're right, Gaddafi did not have any position and he ruled Libya as De Facto without any position. But the thing can't be overlooked is how he dressed as a figure of a pious leader while his hands were stained with the Muslims blood. Remember ma'am, there are many Islamic activists who were massacred or captured by him during the his leadership era. So it is no surprise if today he is protested by his own people.

Fairuz Azalia : The victims of civilian and security forces maybe caused by the armed opposition mass in Benghazi, maybe because of many snipers who are not clear who they are, probably mercenaries from Libya government, or maybe the American and Israeli mercenaries.

I'm glad to read your answer, C. I'm sure you know more about the ins and outs of a socialist, but I just want to explain the socialism Islam as stated by Qadhafi is an understanding which sides with the oppressed, and straighten out the journey of tyrant rule history into power group of enlightened, pro-lower class with people who are on God's path. This aspect was totally different views of Marxism. With a strong religious background and depth, he argued about some of Islamic socialism ideas with bold and brilliant. The idea was addressed to all the Libya people, such as the layer of intellectuals, students, clerics, through various social groups and social workers. From there, socialism began to gain a place and there was awareness of the changes for better conditions, the courage to move, and stretching class consciousness began to appear.

Valentino Vie : More than Love Chemistry, baby. That is our true love.



тUт-тUт... tut? [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
5:51

Despite has been pressured from economic and military side by the west, Moamar Gaddafi has not shown the signs that he will surrender. He even puts his troops to the border in the western part of Libya, thus, it is feared the revolution in Libya increasingly bloody. When interviewed by television network ABC and the BBC on Monday (28 / 2) at night local time, Gaddafi also underestimated the demostran groups and rebels who controlled most of the eastern region of Libya.



Reading For Today
http://uk.reuters.com/arti​cle/2011/03/02/uk-libya-us​a-idUKTRE72050120110302
http://www.alarabiya.net/a​rticles/2011/02/28/139526.​html
http://www.ibtimes.com/art​icles/117568/20110301/unit​ed-states-libya-no-fly-zon​e-hillary-clinton-hugo-cha​vez.htm
http://www.rand.org/commen​tary/2011/02/28/FA.html
http://www.foreignaffairs.​com/articles/67551/frederi​c-wehrey/libyas-terra-inco​gnita
http://www.blackagendarepo​rt.com/content/us-prepares​-make-its-lunge-libya%E2%8​0%99s-oil-fields

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Pranay Suresh : Is he absent-minded?

Valentino Vie : Do you love him, baby?

Valentino Vie : Tut-tut-tut...! hahahaa

Adriaan Zef : You can start with the premise that he is crazy!

Cisca Zarmansyah : Who?

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Will the U.S launch an attack to Libya?

Cisca Zarmansyah : No certainty for military force deployment, Jan. The focus now is humanitarian aid.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Since the fall of Berlin, the humanitarian mission as you intend always prones to military intervention.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : That fact is supported by the USS Enterprise presence that can accommodate dozens of fighter aircraft F-14 Tomcat, isn't it?

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Moreover, the USS Mount Whitney has been in Mediterranean sea, and amphibious combat ship USS Kearsarge was in the Red Sea, following the USS Enterprise.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Based on records from the U.S. Navy, there are 23 combat ships and logistics of the second and sixth fleet around Africa. What's up?

Valentino Vie : Don't ask her by mentioning the names of fighter aircrafts, dude. She could have an orgasm of her mind before bed, even when she was listening to your questions, haha... it's your bedtime, baby! Bonne nuit, ma femme.

Fairuz Azalia : Considering his persistence, is it possible he will end his life by suicide?

Cisca Zarmansyah : Suicide? Dead? What do you mean, Fai? Do we just close this history book?
No! Please, ... don't. I don't expect the possibility will happen. We have no right to decide the life & death of every person. He still has friends and family who love him.

Cisca Zarmansyah : En Jaaan... have you forgotten one amphibious again? The USS Ponche! ...

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Just because you always type "h" for "r" in the DARLING, it doesn't mean that when the Ponce is typed as PONCHE shows you're always right. You're wrong, sweetie! :D))) ....Ponce! Just PONCE, Cischa! http://www.navysite.de/shi​ps/lpd15.htm#memo, .... and they get closer to Lybia @ http://voices.washingtonpo​st.com/blog-post/2011/03/u​ss_ponse_and_uss_kearsarge​_ar.html, but listen to what they say. After what happened there, they have lost confidence in black people... http://www.time.com/time/w​orld/article/0,8599,205600​6,00.html

Adriaan Zef : You're right, honey. Chavez still loves him. For Chavez, Gaddafi is a friend, not a murderer. Liberia and Sieere Leone are the locations funded by Gaddafi. They would be welcome to him. His old buddies Robert Mugabe and Faso Blaise Compaore also still support him. There's also Teodoro Obiang Nguema. In South Africa there is Nelson Mandela who will never forget his support for the African National Congress in the struggle against apartheid. Moreover, South Africa had become a safe place for a number of isolated leaders such as former Haitian president Jean-Bertrand Aristide and Marc Ravalomanana of Madagascar. http://www.ccr.org.za/inde​x.php?option=com_content&v​iew=article&id=633%3Apr-16​6&catid=40%3Apress-article​s&Itemid=105




chЯι$Tу & DჃι [HQ]
by Cisca Zarmansyah (videos)
8:30

Libyan Revolutionary Council based in Benghazi states that Muammar Gaddafi has sent delegates to this council. Through delegation, Gaddafi is willing to leave his position but asked for assurance of salvation himself and his family from the Revolutionary Council of Libya.

Al Sharg Al Awsat newspaper, edition of Monday (7/3) reports, reliable sources said that Gaddafi was willing to resign from his position on the condition he was free from the punishment of international courts and could get out of this country without any obstacles. If there was a guarantee, Gaddafi would submit it to the Libyan People's Revolutionary Council.

Meanwhile, other sources also throw the issue that Gaddafi has been ill that's threatened with the brain death.

Following his requirement , the Libyan Revolutionary Council has not issued an official statement. The revolutionary society will continue to reject any form of talks with him.

Also reportedly, Gaddafi gives large amounts of weapons to his supporters to create chaos in Tripoli. That way, the revolutionary group will also be overwhelmed to occupy the capital of Libya which is currently already besieged. (IRIB/IRNA/AR/MF)



Reading For Today
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=24415
http://www.asharq-e.com/search.asp?searchterm=Gaddafi%20&sort=∂=10
Reliefweb: Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (the)and 3 others Libyan Arab Jamahiriyah: Unrest Situation Report No.8
http://ochaonline.un.org/t​abid/7396/language/en-US/D​efault.aspx

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Adriaan Zef : Gaddafi seen unlikely to step down and face trial. Three scenarios for end of Gaddafi: psychologist

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi will either commit suicide, be killed in battle, or disappear, Kuwaiti expert in personality analysis Abdel Rahman al...-Qurashi said in an interview with Al Arabiya TV.

Qurashi said the third option is unlikely and that Gaddafi would not accept to face justice if he steps down.

Qurashi said Gaddafi "has a need for uniqueness, a need to be a unique personality" and added that Gaddafi's whole life as a leader is based on this psychological need.

He also said that the "Popular Committees" system of rule in Libya was designed to serve Gaddafi's ambitions. No such system ever existed in the world and Gaddafi was able to play with sociopolitical jargon in order to create a unique system, Qurashi added.

The tent, or rather the system of "Popular Committees", of Colonel MGaddafi, the self-proclaimed "King of Kings" and former "Leader of the Libyan Revolution" is swaying in the storm of a nationwide popular revolt unseen in the country in decades.

Gaddafi's often preposterous and eccentric claims during his four-decade idiosyncratic rule brought him to the international public limelight, sometimes as an anti-imperialist, anti-West rebel and as simply a peculiar leader in other times.

Gaddafi said he is not a president in order to step down and insisted to fight to the "last drop" of his blood for a "moral role" he claimed to be playing in the country since 1977 when, according to him, he and the free officers "surrendered the power to the people".

Even more, the former pariah vowed to kill everyone who opposes him, saying, "Those who don't love me do not deserve to live, it will be hell for them."

(Written by Mustapha Ajbaili)
@ http://www.alarabiya.net/a​rticles/2011/02/26/139381.​html

Cisca Zarmansyah : Zef, what about the possibility for bombing of Libyan military airport? John Kerry for the first time said that on last Sunday.

Adriaan Zef : But William suggests that there are difficulties in carrying out the plan a no-fly air zone Libya, because according to him, Libya is a vast country which is equipped with anti-air systems made in Russia.

Cisca Zarmansyah : People were busy discussing no-fly zone plan, as if it was a game.

Adriaan Zef : It was just a reaction to Gates.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Kerry argued that they could paralyze the Libyan air force without costs and war, but there were other options such as the military airfield's attack to cripple Gaddafi (temporary). What did he mean?

Adriaan Zef : ... That's because Gates dismissed the notion that the plan for air attacks to Libya as a discussion of the laity.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Ohhm... so, every effort to maintain the Libyan air zone security must be preceded by an air attack on Gaddafi's air defense system, is that what you mean?

Adriaan Zef : ... The U.S. has hardened its position against Gaddafi.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Of course, after it was criticized... ehehhee...

Adriaan Zef : I love your laughter ...

Cisca Zarmansyah : ...Hmm, that's good, the Arab League rejected this intervention in a transparent manner. It prefers with the help of Africa.

Valentino Vie : Open it, baby... : Interpol File No.: 2011/108/OS/CCC




brEad & blOOd sTory
By Cisca Zarmansyah (Albums) ·
Updated about 5 months ago

A message was circulating on facebook in late January. "For the youth of Egypt: Put the vinegar or bombay onion on scarf that covers the nose to counteract the reaction of tear gas." Message from Tunisian youth was proven effective when protestors were confronted with the supporter of Hosni Mobarak regime in Tahrir Square, Cairo on earlier of this month.

Although it sounds simple, but that message is part of the new force birth in Arab world. It is the movement of Pan-Arab youth which desperately struggle to spread the democracy in North Africa, Middle East and Western Asia.

The movement was not in vain. Like a time bomb, demonstrations quickly spread in Arab countries. Since last week, hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in Yemen, Jordan, Palestine, Bahrain, Iraq, Algeria and Iran to demand a change. In fact, in Libya, about 2,000 people dare to oppose the power of Moamar Gaddafi.

The protests in each country may be triggered by a variety of reasons, ranging from poverty, lack of employment, ethnic and religious differences, the power held by minority groups, corruption, until the differences of economic status. What is clear, almost every country has a government system which is controlled by one party, one family, or a group of military officers.

This practice is ongoing eternal, because generations of people who are now aged 40s and 50s in being apathetic. They do that because the government continues to give empty promises about a change. But, things has changed when the younger generations no longer trust the authorities and get up to oppose.

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Valentino Vie : Baby, to unravel the roots of ongoing upheaval, we need to move away from hustle and bustle of perception, as well as maintaining the same distance with all interests, for a chronological approach of wisdom will unravel the truth, and not making it up.

Fairuz Azalia : Freedom is true freedom if with the freedom we can discover our own personality. The elements from outside should we consider only as a holder of a function or a mere servant, as the driving force, and be a stimulant for our own activities.

Adriaan Zef : The gulf crisis that continued with the war outbreak has changed the political map of Middle East. Remember 3 years ago? ... There were so horrendous conflict in Persian Gulf, due to Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on August 2 in the morning.

The change is not only experienced by Middle Eastern international relations but also the relations between United States with Soviet Union, and Middle East contries. The pattern of that relationship (on one side) strengthens the coalition of several countries, but on other side it will weaken. This changing pattern also results in the loss of a number of sensitive issues and raises other issues.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Still Zef, ... the Palestinians fate remains the main agenda of Arab countries in their political maneuvers, it's a central issue!

Pranay Suresh : Throughout our modern history, ma'am. Palestinian issue has become an integral tool, but it's also the breaker for Arab nations. The association of Arab nation was so clear in October 1973. Many countries joined in a united front to attack Israel. This spectacular raid was intended to defeat Israel and restored the Palestinians rights, but in the middle of a battle that showed the Arabs would win, the US intervened. The turning point occured, and this was detrimental to Arab unity front.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Yeah, it seems the US and Israel have learned a lot of cases that almost eliminated Israel from the Middle East map. Both of them, especially the US, establishing closer relations with moderate countries in Middle East, especially with Saudi Arabia. Both these countries have long established friendship, especially because the relationship of oil since 1930s. Friendships were also fostered through Egypt, one of the leading countries in Arab world. Through this two-footing, the US got freedom in Arab world, although it still could maintain its friendship with the enemy of Arab countries, such as Israel. Of course the US could established this relationship well. Through the concession, then it could neutralize the anti-US forces that appear in some Arab countries, even it could beat them. This opportunity was also used to persuade Arab countries and Israel to sit together in the Middle East peace conference.

Adriaan Zef : At least there are three fronts in the Middle East political map. First, a coalition of Gulf countries such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. Second, a coalition of Iraq, Yemen, Jordan and Egypt. Third, the coalition of countries such as Tunisia, Morocco, Sudan, Algeria and Libya. And that's still a controversial whether the African countries should be included in Middle East politics, but the separation is less relevant because the Arab identity is inherent in these countries.

Pranay Suresh : That's the old map, dude.

Adriaan Zef : I think it's still relevant, except the issues of Palestine & other Arab. They are not too tight to affect the domestic political arena.

Pranay Suresh : That's because purely geographical factors.

Adriaan Zef : It can be used as an argument, but in the golden era of Islam, it could be understood if its culture was called as "Arab".

Pranay Suresh : Well, I think the second coalition was looking very strong, but too bad .... Under the political maneuvers of Anwar Sadat, the Egypt was excluded because it was considered as a traitor of the Arab countries agreement about Palestine and Israel.

Adriaan Zef : More tragically, dude. He was killed by his own troops during a military parade.

Adriaan Zef : But under Hosni Mubarak, Egypt's authority in the Arab League rose again. His message on the formation of Arab multinational force at the Gulf crisis, well received. In the early 1980s, the cohesion of this coalition reached its climax. Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, King Hussein of Jordan, President Mubarak and President of Yemen were very compact. Indirectly, this coalition got the balance from GCC that combined the economic strength with political.

Pranay Suresh : I see. But of course, don't forget Iran. Although Iran is not including the family of Arab nations, but Iran can not be separated from political arena in the Middle East.

Adriaan Zef : Yeah, the revolution 1979 in Iran has made the US plan to Iran finally become a mess. The result is a boomerang to America!

Valentino Vie : Hahahaa.... three coalitions of Arab joined the Arab League. You think it's so easy to gain influence? Youpi!...boy, that's not a light competition. Want to have influence in league? Go, look for the support! hahaa ... a lot of crazy leaders in Arab League!

Cisca Zarmansyah : ... It was going through the Gulf War, Noy. The first coalition certainly would be stronger than ever before. The six countries had increased their compactness, not only in political matters but rather in the togetherness form.

Valentino Vie : Of course, baby. Almost all of them shaped the monarchy or republican monarchy. All of which had oil wealth, its population was not large and military power was also not so strong. This same fate was clearly going to strengthen their solidarity.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Eh bien, ...actually their togetherness was already visible in the early formation of GCC. It was seen from the number of meetings and cooperation. Moreover, the Kuwait case which was occupied by Iraq with claims of history would sharpen their supervisory power against the potential threats from outside.

Valentino Vie : Iraq often threatened Kuwait, and it became greater as supported by armor.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Egypt will be remembered, Noy, always,... especially when the settlement of Kuwait issue. Names such as Morocco, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Syria also will not just disappear in a new political format.

Valentino Vie : Hop là, chérie! Syrie, Il est unique.


On the day Iran commemorated the Shah fled Iran, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, President of Tunisia uprooted and forced to escape from his country. After the French refused to give political asylum to him, Ben Ali had to seek asylum to Saudi Arabia, the mother of dictator countries in Middle East.

Close to the time when these two dictators are running away is not the only similarity between their fate. If we observe more closely, the similarity of fate also the attitude of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and Zine El Abidine Ben Ali is almost the same, so it can be called that Ben Ali is the new Pahlavi.

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Fairuz Azalia : Even in outward Ben Ali does not have a problem with Islam, but in practicality he's only in favor of Islam within the framework of individual belief and the secular. Ben Ali's anti-religious measures which applied with an iron fist has led some Muslims look at Islam with a secular outlook, but of course as a compulsion. For example, they no longer see the headscarf as part of religious duty.

Cisca Zarmansyah: That's secularism, Fai. He spread it. Italy helped him.

Adriaan Zef : You wrote that foreign media coverage didn't always make a balanced, in cases like this they would be more interviewing protesters, anti-government propaganda, even the reporters seemed to pursue the death just to be able to display their names in their coverage area of conflict like this.

Cisca Zarmansyah: What made me write this was yesterday 18 February 2011 the journalists didn't make the event coverage here or supporting the king's peace rally here, the amount of support here wasn't less great, whereas obviously they were here, ...and various imbalances of other news!

Adriaan Zef : It seems to be more attractive displays chaos to dredge benefit from such events.



The demonstration has not turned into a mass movement in Algeria, even nearly a month is no longer a large demonstration in Algiers. Demonstrations which requires the government to resign, in fact already occurs long before the fall as president Hosni Mubarak and Ben ali runs away from Tunisia. But the government's promise makes the protesters "melt". Moreover, those who conduct demonstration are also arrested by the government.

The potential for an explosion of social unrest is actually very big. Moreover, nearly half of the approximately 35 million people in Algeria are under 25 years. In addition, as many as six people have previously try to burn themselves in Algeria. But it' s not enough to make them urge their government to resign.

The Algerian government itself has a tactic to overcome the unrest in its country. To avoid what is called "bread riots" (which is triggered by rising prices of basic necessities), the government has been stockpiling hundreds of tons of rice in recent weeks.

Government has learned from the experience earlier this year. When the price of sugar and cooking oil to be increased in the first quarter in 2011, riots spread in this country with the unemployment rate of 10.2%. The riot has resulted the five peoples are dead, so it's forcing President Abdelaziz Bouteflika (in power since 1999), to reduce again the prices of essential goods.





Inspired by the Tunisi movement and demonstrations in Egypt, thousands of Jordanians also take to the streets. In Jordan capital, Amman, about 2000 people (including the radical left-wing, conservative Muslims and students) call for trimming of the King authority.

Protesters also demand to be given the opportunity to elect the cabinet members, urge the government to reduce the basic commodities prices and demands the minister Samir al-Rifai to reverse. "Jaayin (I come)!, we want to reform the constitution! We want a full change of policy." the students yell out their desire.

During this time, according to the demonstrators, the King Abdulla II enjoys his absolute power. With the present constitution, he can appoint and dismiss the cabinet members at any time. King Abdullah doesn't remain silent. To respond the protesters demands , he deposes Al-Rifai as prime minister and appoints the Jordan's ambassador to Israel (Marouf Bakhit) as a replacement. He exerts a counter demonstration that pro-government. Clashes between two camps can't be avoided. At least 8 people from anti-government group are injured.



A wave of protests was coloring some Middle East countries. Yemen, which was originally calm, suddenly rocked by protests. About 3000 students at Sana'a university rallied to demand the president Ali Abdullah Saleh to resign.

Until Sunday (20 February), anti-government protests has entered the eleventh day. Before that, on Saturday (19 Feb), the anti-riot police opened fire on protesters. As a result, one person was killed and seven others were injured. Thus, the number of people killed since demonstrations broke out, recorded reaches at least 7 people.

Saleh has been president since 1978 and made Yemen as an ally of the United States in combating Al Qaeda group. However, inequalities in wealth distribution (since the North and South Yemen united in 1990) make the hurly-burly easily popped.

Although South Yemen finally back split in 1994, Yemen was not really stable.




Demonstrations in Bahrain on Tuesday (February 15, 2011) coincided with the fall of Hosni Mubarak. Anti-government demonstrators took to the streets and gathered at Pearl Square which was located in the center of capital, Manama.

The demonstrators were Shia Muslim groups who were not satisfied with the leadership of King Hamad bin Issa al-Chalifa family which adhered to Sunni principle.

Demonstrators demanded the release of political prisoners, expansion of employment, establishment of laws and cabinet government that represented the people aspirations.

In anticipation of demonstration, the government deployed the armored vehicles and security forces which were equipped with firearms and tear gas. As a result, on last February 17, at least four demonstrans were killed after clashing with authorities. Approximately 200 people were also wounded.

The incident was under the world spotlight, even Barack Obama called on King Hamad for restraint against the demonstrators. It's understandably, cause the US has interests in Bahrain, considering the fifth fleet of US navy was headquartered in that country.

Therefore, Prince Salman offered a national dialogue, especially to Wafaq group (the Shia) to resolve the political crisis. Salman said, "This country is for you all, for Shiites and Sunnis"


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Fairuz Azalia : Politics is very complicated, it can't be concluded only with an hour of direct reports. Moreover, conflicts that are here one of them is based on a long history of religion, as well as the background for this problem. Although they call it's not about Sunni or Shiite, but it can't be denied if the problem is certainly there, as well as other problems that huddled about economic inequality, political and cultural community as well.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Another thing that might be considered in this case is the leaking of a letter from the U.S. embassy in Manama via WikiLeaks: http://wikileaks.ch/cable/​2009/12/09MANAMA737.html





Among the leaders of Arab countries, Moamar Gaddafi (68) gives the most of sympathetic comment to the Tunisa revolution. Maybe he is a dictator who is best known in the region. He confesses "sad and hurt" to know what happens in Tunisia, after President Zine al-Abidine Ben runs away from Tunisia.

He predicts the bloodshed and violations of law can occur and even getting worse as a result of demonstrations in Arabian Peninsula. But, in his own country, this Brother Colonel always successful to quell the rebellion. Despite many complaints social, unemployment and corruptionthat seems obvious, but the heads of tribes in Libya so far still support him.

Just as Syria, Gaddafi has his own way to overcome the protesters brutality, because he has officers who can do so.

In Libya, the fear of the regime is greater than the desire for change.

This is what makes many people hesitate to take to the streets. Thus, to overthrow Gaddafi is the same as "mission impossible".

His style of controversy:
* He referred to himself as "King of Kings" in a meeting with the kings and leaders from African tribes in Benghazi.

* He proposed a single African currency and a passport that can be used throughout Africa.

* He liked staying in a tent during a visit abroad.

* Escorted by a bodyguard of women.

* He liked to provide financial support and military training to a group of dissidents in various countries.

* Originator of the Pan-Arab idea, but was not realized.

* Flamboyant and eccentric style by using clothing model chieftain of Bedouin and the sunglasses

* He Ordered the military to bombard the demonstrators

* Having wealth in abroad approximately U.S. $ 70 billion.


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Fairuz Azalia : C, I like him ... in a third world society, he is viewed as a revolutionary leader to restore the image of Islam from statical accusation, anti progress and establishment. The same thing also happened to Ali in Iran.

The third world has been completely exposed to the disease from Westruckness (was intoxicated to the West and materialism syndrome), the madness of the materialistic splendor. To deal with the syndrome which is too westernized, Gaddafi has proven to the world that Islam is not reactionary, passive, or the status quo. Islam also mobilizes people to fight against the idols of civilization, Islam is a revolutionary. Gaddafi is the figure of Muslim intellectual which his spectrum of thought has crossed the geographical boundaries and time limits. His character is represented by his fiery speeches and rows of his writings that inspires the spirit has proved that he is a mirror of an ideal human figure, which becomes his goal.

Cisca Zarmansyah : who?

Almira Izzati : The Brother Colonel! :
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap​/20110225/ap_on_re_af/af_l​ibya

http://www.upi.com/Top_New​s/World-News/2011/02/23/Ga​dhafi-said-losing-control-​in-more-cities/UPI-1871129​8448000/


Revolution of the Middle East and North Africa continued to sweep to Iran. A state led by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has become volatile during the protests erupted on Monday (14 Feb). The protestors (most of whom are students, civilians to members of opposition parties) took to the streets in the capital, Tehran.

Protest was held as an act of solidarity with demonstrations in Tunisia and Egypt which were able to overthrow the ruler. Iranian government considered the action was the part of Western's plan to shake up the stability of "State Mullah" in order to take the action.

The officers were deployed to disperse the masses by force. As a result, two students died. The government turned to accuse the opposition.

After the action, the government and the parliament demanded the opposition leaders, Mir Hussein Moussavi and Mehdi Karroubi to be put to death because of orchestrating the riots. But the demand was not realized until now.

Based on the release of the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the demonstration in Tehran deliberately designed by the US. On the other hand, the US president Barack Obama said that the Iranian government was ironic. On a side they supported the demonstrations in Egypt, but on the other side, Iran became irate when a demonstration against the government's done in its country.

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My Supehstahh!...

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Fairuz Azalia : ...

Almira Izzati : is he the supehstah leadeh..... hehh??? ... .....

Cisca Zarmansyah : Ssst.... Izti! He's Barack Hussein Obama! He's Barack Obama! ehhh,...he is the 44th president of United States of America....

Pranay Suresh : hahahaa... smart jokes!



Adriaan Zef
When asked about his reaction on the Egypt's political crisis, William Hague expects a peaceful political reform, so the power will not fall into the Islamic extremists hands. Similarly, the answer comes from the "West leaders". At first glance, the answer is reasonable. Islamic extremists have been considered as enemies of the West. Terror (so far) is mostly done by those in the category of Islamic extremists, isn't it?

Valentino Vie : Dude, you're an ass.

Valentino Vie : Based on indications of what raised the fears that Islamic extremists will be able to take over the power in Egypt?

Adriaan Zef : What are you waiting for, idiot? The fall of the despotic??

Valentino Vie : Don't leave your brain behind! Think it twice, asshole!! Your statement reveals Islamophobia in the subconscious of Western.

Almira Izzati : Just beat it! Beat it! No one wants to be defeated. Showing how funky and strong is your fight, it doesn't matter who's wrong or right... Oops... sorry, I'm listening to what MJ said : ♫♪... lol... http://www.youtube.com/wat​ch?v=vVAa6TropWYf

CieL- FreYa Ceastle :Democracy is a beautiful thing, "said Eli Shaked, the Israeli Ambassador to Cairo 2003-2005, in an interview with Spiegel Online. :: but, yeahh... http://www.spiegel.de/inte​rnational/world/0,1518,742​186,00.html

Fairuz Azalia : What is Islamic extremists? Are they a coincidence Muslim and opposed to Western views, then it means the Islamic extremists? Then who is now identified as the Islamic extremists? Thanks for responding.

Pranay Suresh : There are two streams in the understanding of Islam, those who declare themselves as Liberals Islam and Islamic extremists. If both are left free just like that, it will increasingly undermine and destroy Islam from within. Therefore, let us approach, encourage discussion, and embrace them, so they don't think or do anything extreme.

Fairuz Azalia : On December 18, 2010, the Toronto Star published an article which was advocating a ban on --- not only the Niqab (face cover) and the Burqa (cover the entire body)--- but also the Hijab (head covering). The article stated, "The burqa and the niqab is a tradition that sees women as sexual objects, a seducer, who with her ankle movement can bring men (a weak creature who could not resist this temptation) to their knees in front of them. This is a value system that disgusting and I reject it. So, all Canadians should embrace secular feminism. Let us ban the burqa, niqab and hijab."

The article uses the term "moderate Muslims" to describe people who stated that, "The laws which allow wearing a head covering for women is not only embarrassing, but it is an insult to men."

The article provides an opportunity to examine the practices carried out by the media, opportunistic politicians and others who praised the majority of other Muslims as "Moderate Muslims" and denouncing others as "Militant," "Radical" and "Extremists." It's quite tempting to present ourselves as part of the group who showed no negative meaning. But before using such terms as "Moderate Muslims" and "Muslim extremists", I think we need to understand the meaning of each term.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle: ... I understand your point, Fairuz. Unfortunately, Egypt is a country with Muslim population majority. So anyone who wishes to overthrow the Mubarak government almost certainly) is mostly Muslim. There are many kinds of possibilities for fraud and misuse of "Islamic Extremists" word, if the next government is not as submissive as Mubarak when he's confronted with the West.

Pranay Suresh : I agree with you, dude. The issue becomes more complicated because Egypt is an important country for the West. As the largest and most influential country in Middle East, Egypt becomes the peg or nail stakes for regional stability. Whatever the Egypt's attitude, will be more or less followed by countries in the region. Whatever happened in Egypt will influence the region.

During this friendly attitude of Egypt to the West (which was followed by other middle eastern countries) is highly profitable for the West, which has an interest in maintaining smooth flow of oil from this region. It also allows the West helps and protects Israel from the Arab countries hostility around it.

That is why for decades, Western countries (especially America) are not shy to poured massive financial aid to Egypt, although this state can be said has been ruled by authoritarian and mismanaged chronically.

What was read by me so far, the triggers of Egyptian protesters attitude is caused by authoritarian rule and mismanagement earlier. And this is not enough to do with the Egyptian government position against the West.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Yes, almost all countries in the region had mismanagement and authoritarian character. Yeah ... we can see the uncertainty is always inviting concerns. And the uncertainty of Middle East's future of politics world (with what is happening in Egypt at this time) is appropriate, ... if it makes the West are worried about their interests will be affected.

Hey,... but this "authoritarian and mismanagement" character not just hit the Middle East "pro western" countries, but also the Middle East countries against the West. Syria and Libya are anti-Western, but they also fall into the category of this character.

Adriaan Zef : I see the Muslim Brotherhood hoodwinking the masses who should be aware of what's going on in Iran.

Cisca Zarmansyah: ... Dear Mr. Blue Beard, if the Egypt government denounced the US and Western pressure, it's reasonable, because the pressure can be categorized as an intervention in the country. But, I wonder, "Why does Israel so eagerly to condemn its allies attitude?" ...

Adriaan Zef : .... The cause is clear, honey. Because of the Camp David Agreement. The changes in Egypt could jeopardize the agreement, because Egypt is the largest Arab country which is most involved in Arab-Israeli conflict.

Valentino Vie : Why baby, why?... Why do you like to bias the main topic of this status? This guy was talking about Islamic extremists who have been considered as enemies of the West. Did he mean to say the Muslim Brotherhood (who had conducted an armed movement against the authoritarian regime of Anwar Sadat, and forwarded by Hosni Mubarak) is an Islamic extremist? Or what? Who?

Cisca Zarmansyah : I say, don't condemn the Muslim Brotherhood! It's not appropriate to conclude only the two choices, oppression under Mubarak and the chaos of Islamic extremists. I have many different views with Muslim Brotherhood, but they don't perform any acts of violence in four decades. They also want a change. If we want democracy and freedom, we also have to engage them rather than marginalize them.

I think the image of Islam as a religion of peace has been spotted by a group of people who show their self righteousness but it's coupled with the nature of hatred against all disobedience, which they pour with other forms of violence, brutality, and cruelty, ... so that the entire world, especially non-Muslim countries portray Islam as a religion with ideology of extremism and terrorism.

Fairuz Azalia : Thank you, C. May God bless you with happiness, togetherness and love
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/a​rticle.php?id=27986



CieL- FreYa Ceastle
A study conducted by Robert Leiken and Steven Brooke, two researchers from the Nixon Center, titled "Moderate Muslim Brotherhood" and published by the journal Foreign Affairs, asserted that Muslim Brotherhood could be as moderate political alternative that's ready to accept democracy by making the Muslim community as a source of power. Hence they're looking at the importance of dialogue with the Muslim Brotherhood.

www.israeltoday.co.il
How long will direct military rule last? Will Egypt lose control of the Sinai? Will the next president maintain peace with Israel? And, who will stop Iran and Turkey from filling the void?

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CieL- FreYa Ceastle : ●: http://www.foreignaffairs.​com/articles/62453/robert-​s-leiken-and-steven-brooke​/the-moderate-muslim-broth​erhood

Cisca Zarmansyah : Muslim Brotherhood (MB) has been the main opposition faced dictatorial regimes. The members are also spread in the center of Egyptian society from top level to bottom. Waive its role will make the situation remains unclear and provoke conflict in future. For me, no matter if the MB to power, because it carries the moderate Islamic movement which is willing to accept democracy as a means to transfer power peacefully.

Newsweek magazine also included the MB thoughts about power, which among others also quoted the opinion of IM leaders in Jordan, Zaki Arshid. (►: http://www.ikhwanweb.com/a​rticle.php?id=4003). The magazine also published several times a positive outlook about MB, which was moderate and similar to the Justice and Development Party in Turkey.

But I also don't deny that many Western experts who are very anti MB, although they acknowledge it as a moderate movement. Daniel Pipe (►: http://www.danielpipes.org​/) which is close to the US government and has been known as anti MB. Although he admitted this movement was moderate for trying to apply the Islam teachings was not through the violence, but he considered that the doctrine of MB did not change, that wanted to destroy human rights, demeaning women and non-Muslim.

Cisca Zarmansyah : But the reality denies what is stated by him. Because, it's MB which has been the victim of authority abuse. (NB: getting support from the West). His claims about degrading women and non Muslims are clearly not appropriate because the Islam doctrine forbids it.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle ; What a scourge for Zionist leaders is the possibility of MB's movement in power after the change later. Because the MB so far, even though it's still in status of the banned but it's able to send its representatives to parliament as the largest opposition, as independent representatives (non-parties).



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CZ

"Thank you for your perception! I like your romantic side, even if I do not always comment and I'm glad that you're in my circle of friends."
(Courtesies by: Wolfgang A. Gerhardt)

Wolfgang A.Gerhardt : May be you like this Sunday collage

Cisca Zarmansyah : Before today, there never was a person doing this to me. You create a simple matter to look special. This is a special thing for me.

Cisca Zarmansyah : Thank you. I love it. I love you, my friend.

CieL- FreYa Ceastle : Hmm, he's so nice...















"I am me.
In all the world,
there is no one else exactly like me.
Everything that comes out of me
is authentically mine,
because I alone chose it --
I own everything about me:
my body,
my feelings,
my mouth,
my voice,
all my actions,
whether they be to others or myself.
I own my fantasies,
my dreams,
my hopes,
my fears.
I own my triumphs and successes,
all my failures and mistakes.
Because I own all of me,
I can become intimately acquainted with me.
By so doing,
I can love me
and be friendly with all my parts.
I know there are aspects about myself that puzzle me,
and other aspects that I do not know
-- but as long as I am friendly
and loving to myself,
I can courageously and hopefully
look for solutions
to the puzzles and ways
to find out more about me.
However I look and sound,
whatever I say and do,
and whatever I think and feel at a given moment in time
is authentically me.
If later some parts of how I looked,
sounded,
thought,
and felt
turn out to be unfitting,
I can discard that which is unfitting,
keep the rest,
and invent something new
for that which I discarded.
I can see,
hear,
feel,
think,
say, and do.
I have the tools to survive,
to be close to others,
to be productive,
and to make sense
and order out of the world of people
and things outside of me.
I own me,
and therefore,
I can engineer me.
I am me,
and I am okay."

VIRGINIA SATIR
(American Phychologist and Educator, 1916-1988)