A BBC correspondent in Paris, Hugh Schofield says the political atmosphere in France in recent days accusing the resurrection of the left and right groups. According to government estimates, the number of Muslims in France to reach six million people, or almost 10% of the total population, and is the largest, compared with other countries in Western Europe.
The discussion presents several ministers, and also chief rabbi Gilles Bernheim and representatives of other religions, but there is no Muslim clerics. Muslim groups have accused the conservative UMP stigmatize their faith. While criticism of the opposition Socialist party believes the debate is an election tactic aimed at appealing to voters who can be affected by the National Front.
► http://www.lemouvementpopulaire.fr/
► http://www.frontnational.com/
► http://banlieues-respect.org/2011/04/communique-de-presse-du-10-avril-2011
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Almira Izzati: eew..., is there no handsome guys in Paris? ......
Almira Izzati : I mean... French!
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Why don't you ask her about Jean-François Cope? Is he handsome for her? How handsome he is if we compare him with Claude Gueant?
Almira Izzati : What did they argue?
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Starting from uneasiness about the rapid growth of Muslim communities in France, ended in a debate that is rooted in Islamophobia, I think so.
Fairuz Azalia: The civilization dialogue is still raw. This can be seen from several cases of insult to Islam without unstoppable. The governments in several European countries seem "hide" behind the issue of freedom that they are respectable. On behalf of freedom, they seem "let" when one or a group of citizens contempt the Islam or other religions. The response isn't preventive, "only" make comment after all the insults happen. The Government's work (as an institution that has the power) is to stop any possible adverse effects of irresponsible acts that disturb the civilizations harmony, isn't it? Why don't they think its social costs are so high? No thought at all to it?
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Multiculturalism is a failure in France. Sarkozy wants the "French Islam", not "Islam in France."
Fairuz Azalia: The Western countries should begin to learn a lot about Islam. It's time also for them to stop their Islamophobia. Dialogue for the future of a brilliant civilization is needed to eliminate prejudice and suspicion of misleading stereotypes. Don't let what happen today will further deepen the anger and the endless revenge. The Muslims also must continue to strengthen the heart and soul of attachment to each other with ties creed, and be able to more aggressively again to preach how Islam as a mercy to all the worlds.
Almira Izzati: so they don't debate about secularism? Islam only?
Fairuz Azalia: The veil in their eyes is more dangerous than the hijab in our hair
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Maybe the implementation of secularism (in France) is now getting loose, this is a concern. In her email she told me that the UMP was like a disease for Muslims.
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Even in the body's own governing party is also split. Francois Fillon and Alain Juppe didn't like that debate. Various religious groups issued a statement which said that they worried it could add confusion in the difficult period they were experiencing. But, according to opinion polls, French people are also very disturbed to the behavior of many Muslims there. 40% of them see Islam as "the enemy in the blanket. " Some people view this debate would give birth to such concerns, while others emphasize the discussion should be conducted. Finally the whole issue is full of complexity. Act of 1905 that separated church and state was a fundamental principle of the French Republic. This law sustained the values of France.
Valentino Vie: This is the central theme of "Black Campaign" of French politicians. Claude Gueant often casts the anti Muslim rhetoric, and it makes the popularity of Marine Le Pen is increasing ahead of local elections. They compete hard in making a statement of anti IsIam and anti Muslim, to compete for votes. They turn a blind eye to Muslim community who have become part of French society. Don't they see the Muslims also use French language? They also pay taxes and obey the rules and laws. Even most of them born in France, and they also want the same treatment as other French citizens.
I think the difference of opinion that occurred in UMP (about that public debate) should be a "moral question" for public, "Do we really ought to alliance to the party?"
Almira Izzati : I mean... French!
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Why don't you ask her about Jean-François Cope? Is he handsome for her? How handsome he is if we compare him with Claude Gueant?
Almira Izzati : What did they argue?
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Starting from uneasiness about the rapid growth of Muslim communities in France, ended in a debate that is rooted in Islamophobia, I think so.
Fairuz Azalia: The civilization dialogue is still raw. This can be seen from several cases of insult to Islam without unstoppable. The governments in several European countries seem "hide" behind the issue of freedom that they are respectable. On behalf of freedom, they seem "let" when one or a group of citizens contempt the Islam or other religions. The response isn't preventive, "only" make comment after all the insults happen. The Government's work (as an institution that has the power) is to stop any possible adverse effects of irresponsible acts that disturb the civilizations harmony, isn't it? Why don't they think its social costs are so high? No thought at all to it?
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Multiculturalism is a failure in France. Sarkozy wants the "French Islam", not "Islam in France."
Fairuz Azalia: The Western countries should begin to learn a lot about Islam. It's time also for them to stop their Islamophobia. Dialogue for the future of a brilliant civilization is needed to eliminate prejudice and suspicion of misleading stereotypes. Don't let what happen today will further deepen the anger and the endless revenge. The Muslims also must continue to strengthen the heart and soul of attachment to each other with ties creed, and be able to more aggressively again to preach how Islam as a mercy to all the worlds.
Almira Izzati: so they don't debate about secularism? Islam only?
Fairuz Azalia: The veil in their eyes is more dangerous than the hijab in our hair
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Maybe the implementation of secularism (in France) is now getting loose, this is a concern. In her email she told me that the UMP was like a disease for Muslims.
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Even in the body's own governing party is also split. Francois Fillon and Alain Juppe didn't like that debate. Various religious groups issued a statement which said that they worried it could add confusion in the difficult period they were experiencing. But, according to opinion polls, French people are also very disturbed to the behavior of many Muslims there. 40% of them see Islam as "the enemy in the blanket. " Some people view this debate would give birth to such concerns, while others emphasize the discussion should be conducted. Finally the whole issue is full of complexity. Act of 1905 that separated church and state was a fundamental principle of the French Republic. This law sustained the values of France.
Valentino Vie: This is the central theme of "Black Campaign" of French politicians. Claude Gueant often casts the anti Muslim rhetoric, and it makes the popularity of Marine Le Pen is increasing ahead of local elections. They compete hard in making a statement of anti IsIam and anti Muslim, to compete for votes. They turn a blind eye to Muslim community who have become part of French society. Don't they see the Muslims also use French language? They also pay taxes and obey the rules and laws. Even most of them born in France, and they also want the same treatment as other French citizens.
I think the difference of opinion that occurred in UMP (about that public debate) should be a "moral question" for public, "Do we really ought to alliance to the party?"
► http://www.aolnews.com/2010/04/22/belgium-and-france-aim-to-ban-islamic-veil/
► http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=219764
► http://www.ustaadkhan.com/ustaadkhan/1509
Almira Izzati likes this.
Valentino Vie: It's becoming a ball of fire in Azerbaijan.
Adriaan Zef: and Kosovo!
Pranay Suresh: French Parliament has decided to ban the Niqab, and called it a threat to the Secularism of France. But Secularism has nothing to do with thinking like this. Ban the Niqab - and there's a previous ban on the purdah - has nothing to do with Secularism. As a doctrine, Secularism is supposed to defend the rights of every person, especially the minorities. Secularism is supposed to protect the rights of all to freedom of religion and identity. This should be a statement of pluralism and religious tolerance.
Valentino Vie: Un projet de loi devrait donc être présenté courant mai en conseil des ministres, avant d'être soumis à l'examen du Parlement "dans les plus brefs délais". :: http://www.lejdd.fr/Politique/Actualite/Vers-une-interdiction-de-la-burqa-187778/
Cisca Zarmansyah: I just want to add the phrase, "only to non-Muslims" in the famous motto of France about, "Liberté, égalité, fraternité".
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Say No to Racist!
Adriaan Zef: and Kosovo!
Pranay Suresh: French Parliament has decided to ban the Niqab, and called it a threat to the Secularism of France. But Secularism has nothing to do with thinking like this. Ban the Niqab - and there's a previous ban on the purdah - has nothing to do with Secularism. As a doctrine, Secularism is supposed to defend the rights of every person, especially the minorities. Secularism is supposed to protect the rights of all to freedom of religion and identity. This should be a statement of pluralism and religious tolerance.
Valentino Vie: Un projet de loi devrait donc être présenté courant mai en conseil des ministres, avant d'être soumis à l'examen du Parlement "dans les plus brefs délais". :: http://www.lejdd.fr/Politique/Actualite/Vers-une-interdiction-de-la-burqa-187778/
Cisca Zarmansyah: I just want to add the phrase, "only to non-Muslims" in the famous motto of France about, "Liberté, égalité, fraternité".
Jan Pepijn Servaas: Say No to Racist!
Jan Pepijn Servaas and Almira Izzati like this.
Cisca Zarmansyah: The U.S. warned that the "persistent violence was caused by intolerance and distrust" against Muslims could be just as destructive with extremist groups, and urged European governments to act to protect the rights of Muslim minorities.
Valentino Vie: There are reasons for hope of a better religious relations in the world during last few years. The relationship between religion can build a bridge of understanding between diverse communities. Muslims participate in dialogue with the Holy See will seek a greater respect for Islam, especially in the West, and it can emphasize that Islam is a religion of peace and separate them from violence. Read this article, baby, it's interesting enough: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/1003/op2.htm
Adriaan Zef: There is no real evidence of a context between the niqab and terror. All terrorist operations that occurred in Europe - from London to Madrid - done by people who showing off their faces. The attacks carried out by men and masked women in Arab and Islamic world are rare, if it's compared with that done by individuals who show their faces. Terrorists want to be seen and recognized. That's the way they are.
Pranay Suresh : A polarization of identity takes place in two groups. Each obsessed with the other, and each believes its own advantage. If this continues to happen, the next decade will only be as bad as the last.
Jan Pepijn Servaas: The ban on Niqab is a moral scandal as well as an insult to Western tradition. For one thing, the anti-Niqab crowd assume that any woman who wears the Niqab (and perhaps any man who wears robes and a beard) is a time bomb that must be defused. The anti-Niqab crowd make no distinction between extremists and moderates. Their bigotry has inspired the murder of an innocent Egyptian woman, Marwa El-Sherbini, in Germany two years ago.
Valentino Vie: There are reasons for hope of a better religious relations in the world during last few years. The relationship between religion can build a bridge of understanding between diverse communities. Muslims participate in dialogue with the Holy See will seek a greater respect for Islam, especially in the West, and it can emphasize that Islam is a religion of peace and separate them from violence. Read this article, baby, it's interesting enough: http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2010/1003/op2.htm
Adriaan Zef: There is no real evidence of a context between the niqab and terror. All terrorist operations that occurred in Europe - from London to Madrid - done by people who showing off their faces. The attacks carried out by men and masked women in Arab and Islamic world are rare, if it's compared with that done by individuals who show their faces. Terrorists want to be seen and recognized. That's the way they are.
Pranay Suresh : A polarization of identity takes place in two groups. Each obsessed with the other, and each believes its own advantage. If this continues to happen, the next decade will only be as bad as the last.
Jan Pepijn Servaas: The ban on Niqab is a moral scandal as well as an insult to Western tradition. For one thing, the anti-Niqab crowd assume that any woman who wears the Niqab (and perhaps any man who wears robes and a beard) is a time bomb that must be defused. The anti-Niqab crowd make no distinction between extremists and moderates. Their bigotry has inspired the murder of an innocent Egyptian woman, Marwa El-Sherbini, in Germany two years ago.
The More Recent News
(Added by me on Septembre 22, 2011)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15013383
French women face fine over niqab
www.bbc.co.uk
Two women who continue to wear the full-face veil in defiance of a law banning it in France are appearing in court for sentencing.
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